Posts by raymond frantz

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QR codes: a way to stop APOSTATES !!!

by raymond frantz in

interesting meeting today.the do had the last talk and he mentioned a couple of things i have not heard before :.

1) the new lighter magazines are designed in a way to attract people to our website .

2)the ministry will change to incoprorate preacing in town centres and and with stands as in manhattan and certain brothers will be allocated to do this .so it is done now in a big scale ,organised.. 3)the qr codes at the back of the magazines are there for smart phone users to guide them directly to jw.org ,unlike bad old internet via laptops and pc's that you have to look for the website on google and sometimes end up in enemy websites that look like our website but are spreading lies about jw's (he said exactly that!

raymond frantz

the latest awake magazine has one and is on the last page ,whether this will be a permanent feature he failed to say

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QR codes: a way to stop APOSTATES !!!

by raymond frantz in

interesting meeting today.the do had the last talk and he mentioned a couple of things i have not heard before :.

1) the new lighter magazines are designed in a way to attract people to our website .

2)the ministry will change to incoprorate preacing in town centres and and with stands as in manhattan and certain brothers will be allocated to do this .so it is done now in a big scale ,organised.. 3)the qr codes at the back of the magazines are there for smart phone users to guide them directly to jw.org ,unlike bad old internet via laptops and pc's that you have to look for the website on google and sometimes end up in enemy websites that look like our website but are spreading lies about jw's (he said exactly that!

raymond frantz

Interesting meeting today.The DO had the last talk and he mentioned a couple of things I have not heard before :

1) The new lighter magazines are designed in a way to attract people to our website

2)The ministry will change to incoprorate preacing in town centres and and with stands as in Manhattan and certain brothers will be allocated to do this .So it is done now in a big scale ,organised.

3)The QR codes at the back of the magazines are there for smart phone users to guide them directly to jw.org ,unlike bad old internet via laptops and pc's that you have to look for the website on google and sometimes end up in enemy websites that look like our website but are spreading lies about JW's (he said exactly that!) We had 4 people who are studies at the moment and where there in the Hall today .I looked over to see the reaction and they looked puzzled .

So the way to tackle apostate websites is QR codes .What happened to good old debate I wonder ?

One thing is for sure though I never heard a District Overseer acknowledging apostate websites in such a way before ?

Who said "First they ignore us ,they they mock us ,then they fight us ,then we win "?

I think we are on STEP 3 at the moment!

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Which Spirit is the God's Spirit in the 2nd Baptismal VOW?

by raymond frantz in

hi guys i need some help here and wonder if any of you can offer some comments .the second baptismal question is :"do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah's witnesses in association with god's spirit-directed organization?

".

which spirit are they talking about since it is not refered to as the holy spirit?.

raymond frantz

Any angel can be God's spirit ,as far as I'm concerned God's spirit is also Satan ,so the God's spirit anointed organisation can read also ,God's spirit=Satan anointed organisation .Is that possible?

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Which Spirit is the God's Spirit in the 2nd Baptismal VOW?

by raymond frantz in

hi guys i need some help here and wonder if any of you can offer some comments .the second baptismal question is :"do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah's witnesses in association with god's spirit-directed organization?

".

which spirit are they talking about since it is not refered to as the holy spirit?.

raymond frantz

Hi guys I need some help here and wonder if any of you can offer some comments .The second baptismal question is :"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? "

Which spirit are they talking about since it is not refered to as the holy spirit?

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1/15 WT- Guilt, Guilt, and More Guilt ! Black & White Cult Reasoning !

by flipper in

jw
friends

this particular article was discussed or touched on a couple months ago regarding the wt society's statement concerning jw's putting " jehovah above everything else- including the family bond " .

so i won't address those points in this thread, but there are many other points to address where the wt society uses guilt and black & white cult reasoning to control jw's minds with this information from the article titled, " let nothing distance you from jehovah ".

first off in paragraph 5 the wt tries to make people feel guilty looking for work and insists that if you get any job that takes you away from family- it will distance you from jehovah !

raymond frantz

It is mind blowing how detached they are from reality having lost all credibility .They are like little babies that want attention all the time .One thing remains to be seen WHEN will someone tell them to SHUT UP in public .I forgot ,the new light says they can only attend special assemblies where only the best drones attend pre-selected ,to avoid any unwelcome surprises

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Planning exit, alternative venues to preach?

by Goodstein in

background:.

i've come to the conclusion that many doctrines of the wts are unscriptural after many years of privately disagreeing with some of them but feeling that the society was "mostly right" and still being used by jehovah.

this turning point has happened in the last year or so.

raymond frantz

i had the same dillema and I couldn't find any church to shut me ,so I started a meetup group in my area for free thinking Christians ,first meeting 14 people turned up.I can't remember the last time I was free to talk about and debate about the Bible ,best experience so far and definetely substitutes and fills the void

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A Message to Active Elders Lurking on JWN

by 00DAD in

there are really only a couple of reasons an active elder would be lurking here on jwn.. .

[if !supportlists]i. your ever growing doubts about the organization have led you here, or.

[if !supportlists]ii.

raymond frantz

No Jesus here ,only CULT,get out!!!

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Planning exit, alternative venues to preach?

by Goodstein in

background:.

i've come to the conclusion that many doctrines of the wts are unscriptural after many years of privately disagreeing with some of them but feeling that the society was "mostly right" and still being used by jehovah.

this turning point has happened in the last year or so.

raymond frantz

No Jesus ,only cult!!!

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses a hierarchical religion? And does it matter?

by cedars in

this is the title of my latest article, which is available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-hierarchical-religion-and-does-it-matter.

inspired by the illustration in the april 15th watchtower (above), i thought it would be worthwhile to further explore this facet of the society for two reasons.... because the society has spent decades criticizing the catholic church for being hierarchical, andbecause the society has recently become more open about its hierarchical nature than ever before.below is a diagram i have prepared which shows the organizational similarities that watch tower society now shares with the catholic church.... .

until recently, the governing body could place the "faithful slave" above it at the top of the pyramid, but as of october 5th this fuzzy doctrine was scrapped - thus removing the final distinguishing factor between the governing body and popedom.. as always, i would be interested in your thoughts.... .

raymond frantz

It isn't a conspirancy theory to say that there is something really dark going on at the top !

How many Christian organisations would dear publish such a picture without Jesus

They are Satan's agents laughing in your face

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses a hierarchical religion? And does it matter?

by cedars in

this is the title of my latest article, which is available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-hierarchical-religion-and-does-it-matter.

inspired by the illustration in the april 15th watchtower (above), i thought it would be worthwhile to further explore this facet of the society for two reasons.... because the society has spent decades criticizing the catholic church for being hierarchical, andbecause the society has recently become more open about its hierarchical nature than ever before.below is a diagram i have prepared which shows the organizational similarities that watch tower society now shares with the catholic church.... .

until recently, the governing body could place the "faithful slave" above it at the top of the pyramid, but as of october 5th this fuzzy doctrine was scrapped - thus removing the final distinguishing factor between the governing body and popedom.. as always, i would be interested in your thoughts.... .

raymond frantz

Did you spot the missing person in the original picture? JESUS

The true pyramid is :

1.Governing Body (GOD/MEDIATIOR)

2.Jehovah (Governing Body's puppet)

3.CO/DO's (area managers)

4.Elders (Police)

5.Rank & File (Ham harrets)

(Jesus not needed anymore ...you won't find him in the picture)